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  1. anon_de_plume

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    Lol! There are still portions of the Capitol building that are off limits to the public. But I'm sure you'll whine and cry that they are keeping something from you because your tax money paid for it...

    Maybe you should go back to Xcebia, I'm sure there, everything is open to everyone!
     
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    1. shootersa
      And so you think the "off limits" parts of the capitol are so extensive that they can't release even one more minute of the 41,000 hours of tape?
      Pretty sure you didn't learn that king of logic in school or in the Navy.

      What is it you're afraid we will learn if those tapes are released?
      It sure as hell isn't something about the off limits areas of the capitol, is it?
      You're afraid you'll find out you swallowed a bunch of despicable propaganda Kool aid, isn't it?
       
      shootersa, Mar 9, 2023
    2. anon_de_plume
      Where exactly have I said the tapes should not be released?
       
      anon_de_plume, Mar 10, 2023
  2. manuel42

    manuel42 cum gunner of the highest order Banned!

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    1. anon_de_plume
      Cherry picked footage.
       
      anon_de_plume, Mar 9, 2023
    2. toniter
      It's hard to discuss politics with a "cum gunner of the highest order".
       
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  3. shootersa

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    So first, thank you for your concern about Shooter's heart, but its fine.
    Second, the issue of the thread is why Carlson gets access to the video of January 6.
    We've all seen the video of the mob rioting, waving their Trump flags and American flags and assaulting the police.
    It is a chapter in our history that we will be generations living down.

    For us to understand why it happened it is helpful to understand what happened.
    And so far, all we've had is the carefully edited and produced video that Nancy Antoinettes star chamber minions have decided to let us see.
    The bit that Carlson has (so far) shared with us shows a decidedly different mob; one that did not assault police or disrespect them or the capitol or Congress.

    Shooter wants to see all that video for himself. He wants to decide for himself what happened that day, not colored by Tucker's pitch or the star chamber bunch and their agenda.

    You diverting to a discussion of the disrespect and crimes aimed at capitol police (something we already know happened) does not further the discussion at all but does divert lesser minds from the point.

    Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you want the pressure kept on to get those tapes released?
     
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      Have you read the J6 report, @toniter ?
      Shooter has.
      And when they started promoting the J6 prime time hearings television shows it didn't take a genius to figure out that it was propaganda.

      Here's the thing to always remember; When government tells you what they saw/did/said, verify. And if they won't show you what they did to arrive at whatever it is they said, then get very skeptical.

      Think about it. If the J6 committee had all the proof they needed to prove Trump planned and incited an insurrection to overthrow the government they'd be showing us ALL of the evidence, not just what they claim proves their case. And for them (and despicables in general) to be pitching such a fit about those videos now, 2 years after the fact, well, sorry but Shooter is pretty much convinced that the whole thing was a despicable propaganda act.

      But show me the tape, and we can talk more.
       
      shootersa, Mar 9, 2023
    3. toniter
      I'm no prosecutor, but if they think a good case can be made to indict a target, then they wouldn't reveal all the evidence to the general public before bringing charges, no? We deserve to see everything.... after indictment or after the investigation ends.

      You think the J6 riot could have been a Democtratic "propaganda act". Seriously?
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
    4. shootersa
      Damn, @toniter Shooter thought you were better than this.
      First, a prosecutor has an affirmative obligation to reveal all of the evidence they have in a case to the defendant.
      The public, no.
      But then it appears that the DOJ is about done with indictments for January 6. About 1,000 people charged, half convicted, the rest in the pipeline.
      Also, the video isn't the only evidence in those cases.

      And where the fuck did you get the idea that Shooter has EVER said the J6 riot was a despicable propaganda act?
      You're as bad as anon.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
    5. toniter
      @shootersa.... just above, yesterday at 4:29pm, he stated, "Shooter is pretty much convinced that the whole thing was a despicable propaganda act."... You and I gotta keep an eye on shooter, he's starting to wander.
      And I don't think the DoJ is done with indictments for J6. The big pumpkin might be the finale. Let the DoJ tell us when they're finished. You and I just got to wait.
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
    6. shootersa
      Read what Shooter wrote again. His reference about a "despicable propaganda act" was aimed at Nancy Antoinettes star chamber gala, the prime time circus show and the J6 report.
      Not the riot that happened on January 6.

      Pretty sure you knew that though.

      Wonder what the DOJ is waiting for, in terms of "the big pumpkin".
      How much more do they need beyond the J6 report, Schiff's promise that "he's seen the smoking gun evidence" and despicable's demand for a perp walk?
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
  4. anon_de_plume

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    And you're suggesting that this mitigates what those other people have been tried and convicted of? Some even pled guilty. Or maybe this is you suggesting that these "innocent people" were being swept up in the trials?

    So let me ask you... So you think the videos of the crowds busting in windows and doors to get in are fake?
     
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      Well, toniter, we agree. There was a violent riot on J6, it happened at our nation's capitol, and it was a national embarrassment.
      Those responsible need to be held accountable.
      So, lets see the tape.
      Lets see who was doing what, lets bring em to court and make em accountable.
      Shooter is pretty sure the DOJ has rounded up most of those responsible, but lets see for ourselves.

      And lets compare them to the Nancy Antoinette star chamber report and see if they got it right.
      Shooter doesn't think they did, and he expects the tapes to go a long ways towards proving that.
      Don't you want to know?
       
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    3. toniter
      Great post shooter. We're not far apart (on this topic, at least). From what I've been hearing, the DoJ started at the bottom, prosecuting those obviously responsible for the violence of J6. Next comes those who planned it from the beginning; those that funded it, organized it, promoted it, and whipped those blinded, brainwashed suckers to storm the capitol.
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
    4. shootersa
      So, you really think this
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      Was planned, organized, funded and promoted
      To, you know, overthrow the government??
      To install Trump as dictator for life?
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
    5. toniter
      Honestly, I do.
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
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    6. anon_de_plume
      And what would that actually accomplish?
       
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  5. Bron Zeage

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    As Hamlet said, "There's the rub."

    There has always been a solid core of racists and white supremacists who support Trump. This had to be kept on the down low because they are self acknowledged to believe violence is a means to an end. The Jan6 attack on the Capitol ripped the veneer off and there was no more plausible denial.

    A poorly thought out and poorly executed plan is still a plan. Trump brought the insurrectionists to Washington to create the threat of violence. He wanted an atmosphere of chaos that would give Congress an excuse to reject the electoral college and return the vote to state legislators.

    There was a good possibility of success. Trump supporters and elected officials have demonstrated they do not value the truth, facts, or the law.

    The Jan6 insurrectionists put this on display for the world. This leaves the Trump apologists with a problem. The attempt to overthrow the election by violence just looks bad. They tried to disavow the attackers and claim it was Antifa, which was pretty funny. It was also an insult to Trump's most fervent supporters. These people risk their lives and freedom for Trump while a bunch of pantywaists on social media won't even acknowledge their sacrifice.

    The other option is to whitewash the whole crowd. Convince the rest of that a person who squirts bear spray in a policeman's face is was just a little excited. This is a tough order, since so much video and witness testimony exists, but the ultimate goal is to assure the public that it couldn't happen again.

    The best they can do is follow the same old script of "There's secret information that will prove our case, but the government doesn't want you to know."

    Of course, this is always followed by demanding to know if we are afraid of the truth.
     
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      You are the most balanced, down to earth person in the politics board. I love every post from you!
       
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      Thank you. I am a river to my people.
       
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  6. shootersa

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    When all else fails, play the racist card.
    And demonize anyone or anything remotely connected with your opposition.
    Fuck truth.
    Fuck honesty.
    Attack, lie, divert.
    The thing is to win, not find the truth.
    That about cover your rant, bron?
     
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    Tucker Titanic.jpg
     
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    1. CS natureboy
      So how many people died on J6 compared to the death count on the Titanic?
       
      CS natureboy, Mar 9, 2023
    2. toniter
      natureboy, you missed the point
       
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    Cmon @CS natureboy that's funny, no matter who you are.

    They're gonna twirl and stamp their feet and raise every objection to the release of those tapes they can come up with.
    SECURITY!!
    PROPAGANDA!!
    NOT OUR BUSINESS!!
    WE CAN TRUST OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS!!
    BUT CARLSON!!
    BUT TRUMP!!

    The bottom line is, there really isn't a reason now to keep those tapes secret.
    Sooner or later they'll be released.
    And then we'll know.
     
    1. CS natureboy
      I didn't know liberals had a sense of humor...
       
      CS natureboy, Mar 10, 2023
    2. toniter
      Yeah, then we'll know what really happened!!! Hmmmm, like what?
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
    3. shootersa
      Well, unlike despicables and their "get trump" mission, and unlike politicians, Shooter doesn't have an agenda.
      He prefers not to speculate on what we'll discover with the tapes.
      Or the other evidence.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
  9. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    You paddle hard, but like a one legged duck, you just go around in circles.

    Instead of calling me a liar, just tell me there were no white supremacists organizations that came to Washington on Jan6 to support Donald Trump.

    After that, tell me they came with peaceful intentions and no preparations for violence. If that's the truth, a simple declarative statement on your part could clear up this misunderstanding.
     
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      As usual you assume facts not in evidence.
      Dismissed.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
    2. Bron Zeage
      You are so funny and remarkably transparent at the same time.

      If there's no evidence that white supremacists groups who support Trump came to Washington on Jan6, prepared for violence, just say so.
       
      Bron Zeage, Mar 10, 2023
    3. shootersa
      Funny and transparent?
      Thank you.

      Don't know about the white supremacist thingy. Maybe the tapes will settle that question.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
    4. Bron Zeage
      Nice back pedal. Before, you said I was lying, but now you don't know. At this rate you'll be a registered Democrat for the next election.
       
      Bron Zeage, Mar 10, 2023
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    Proud Boy argues that Tucker Carlson's misleading January 6 footage should be reason to dismiss his seditious-conspiracy case

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    Proud Boys member Dominic Pezzola.Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP
    • Tucker Carlson's January 6 footage has been brought up in a January 6 seditious conspiracy trial.

    • Lawyers representing a Proud Boys member asked a federal judge to dismiss his case.

    • "This footage is plainly exculpatory," the lawyers wrote in a court filing.
    Lawyers representing one of the five Proud Boys members charged with seditious conspiracy in connection to the January 6 riot asked the judge to dismiss the case on Thursday, pointing to Capitol security footage played on Fox New host Tucker Carlson's show as their defense.

    "This footage is plainly exculpatory; as it establishes that the Senate chamber was never violently breached, and—in fact—was treated respectfully by January 6 protestors," lawyers for Proud Boys member Dominic Pezzola said in a court filing. "To the extent protestors entered the chamber, they did so under the supervision of Capitol Police. The Senators on January 6 could have continued proceedings."


    The lawyers argued that federal prosecutors "withheld" the security footage from their client, and asked US District Judge Timothy Kelly to toss out the indictment, which alleges that Pezzola, along with four other Proud Boys, conspired to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 presidential election.

    Pezzola was one of the first rioters to storm the Capitol on January 6, breaking the building's glass window with a stolen police shield, according to prosecutors. He and the co-defendants — Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio, Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl — have pleaded not guilty.

    Carlson's Monday evening show, in which he selectively aired clips from more than 40,000 hours of Capitol security footage provided to him by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, has attracted widespread criticism from both the left and right. The broadcast excluded footage of rioters violently clashing with law enforcement officials that day.

    The US Capitol Police chief and congressional Democrats and Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, have ripped into Carlson for "cherry-picking" footage and downplaying the January 6 attack as a peaceful protest.

    In their court filing, Pezzola's lawyers said Carlson displayed "shocking footage" that showed Jacob Chansley, known as the QAnon Shaman, "walking calmly" through the Capitol and police officers escorting him into the Senate chamber. The lawyers cited the Washington Post's reporting that Albert Watkins, Chansley's lawyer, never saw that footage during his client's case.

    "Pezzola, likewise, has had a right to the same footage. Yet the government has withheld it," Pezzola's lawyers wrote.

    The Justice Department said on Tuesday that Carlson's aired videos should not be used to delay criminal trials related to January 6, claiming that "nearly all of the footage" has been available to defendants. A DOJ spokesperson declined to comment.

    It's not the first time the Proud Boys members have asked for their case to be dismissed. The defense lawyers have made repeated requests for a mistrial, which Kelly, a Trump appointee, has denied.

    One of the most significant cases to emerge out of the January 6 riot, the trial is now in its second month. It was also delayed on Thursday because federal prosecutors might have accidentally shared classified material to the defense attorneys. The trial is set to continue on Monday.

    Read the original article on Business Insider



    https://www.yahoo.com/news/proud-boy-argues-tucker-carlsons-194410849.html
     
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      Never saw this coming.:rolleyes:
       
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  11. anon_de_plume

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    But of course, the only real objection is that the tapes were given to one PERSON! It wasn't even the network, but Tucker Carlson! A man who defended himself and his lies in court by saying he isn't a journalist.

    But we don't expect shooter to see that distinction, as he is working hard to ignore reality.
     
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    The jan 6th rioters are described as vermin but the orange rodent gets a pass.
     
    1. shootersa
      The J6 rioters are vermin.
      The "orange rodent" hasn't gotten anything but attacked (again) by despicables.
      After release of the tapes he just might get his "pass" revoked.
      Shooter doubts it, but we'll see.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
  13. lottie

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    The Capitol Hill cops should pay Tucker Carlson a friendly visit. If he happens to be covered in blood with a few broken bones after, they can say he just fell, as the majority of them were peaceful!
     
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    What did Tucker Carlson say about the capitol police?
    Did he accuse THEM of lying?
    Or of not doing their job?
    Did he somehow disrespect them?
    No, he didn't.

    He accused the Nancy Antoinette star chamber bunch of lying to us.
    Now, if that bunch of ......... politicians ......... think they can whup Carlson, let em bring it.
     
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      Um, yeah he disrespected them by undermining what they had to face that day by calling the mob sightseers.
      But hey, keep defending assholes like Carlson all you want. It's no use talking to you. Everything is so black and white in your little mind
       
      lottie, Mar 10, 2023
    2. shootersa
      No, he didn't.
      Watch the segment.
      Demonizing Carlson, and for that matter, Shooter just convinces Shooter you got nothing else to come back with.
       
      shootersa, Mar 10, 2023
    3. lottie
      If it makes sense in your mind, that's all that matters
       
      lottie, Mar 10, 2023
  15. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    It's simple enough. Just point out Nancy's lies and the evidence Tucker has revealed. These silly disputes are so easy to resolve.

    Just because Tucker has a history of telling you what he thinks you want to hear, there's no reason to think he's doing it this time.

    It's very important we give Tucker as much attention as possible. He has a lot of ground to make up, after it's been revealed he lied to his boss and coworkers about hating Trump. He doesn't really hate Trump with a passion. He just wanted Rupert Murdoch to think he did.
     
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    No, really, Bron.
    What is it you're afraid releasing the video will expose?
    You know it isn't security.
    What is it?
    That it wasn't an insurrection, but a riot?
     
  17. Bron Zeage

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    Are you for real?

    More Hamlet for you: "We must speak by the card or this clown will undo us with the equivocation."

    What's your interest in getting someone to say it was a riot and not an insurrection? Does it reveal a hidden cheat code and Trump is suddenly President again?

    The only people who have any worries about it being an insurrection are a few elected officials who might get tripped up by the language of the Constitution. That's not bothered them before, so probably not going forward.

    Right now, there is an insurrectionist on trial because something you call a riot in the Capitol caused the Congress to adjourn and flee in fear. He now says that wasn't necessary. He and his fellow insurrections would have been happy to peacefully watch the proceedings.

    I can't wait for Tucker to release the tape of him yelling, "Wait, y'all come back. We left the bear spray and the zip ties outside."

    We've already seen the video where he takes a shield from a Capitol policeman and uses it to break through a window.
     
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      How will a tape of people doing things, walking, running, fighting, whatever you want, show that an activity wasn't an insurrection but only a riot? The difference is intent, not action, (I think) and shooter thinks a video clip can show a lack of intent to cause an insurrection? Why were they in the capitol at that time.... hmmmm, perhaps to disrupt the government.
       
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      Maybe a video will show an of insurrectionist say something like, "I hope this doesn't interrupt the certification of the election." The problem with trying to demote the insurrection down to a riot is it turns a crowd of heroic citizens who sincerely thought they were saving the country from the results of a fraudulent election, into a mob of violent criminals who for some strange reason decided to assault law enforcement officers and go on a spree of destruction in the Capitol building.

      The sole motivation for the "it was a riot" plea is to remove Trump's responsibility for the attack on the Capitol and put it on the shoulders of people who believed what Trump told them. We're supposed to accept that it was just a bunch of people who were pissed off because Trump lost the election and decided to hurt people and destroy stuff to vent their anger.
      In politics, this is known as a "dick move."
       
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    Well, how about we look at the tape, and see the rest of the evidence, and read the transcripts and figure it out for ourselves?

    Why is that something that you object to?
     
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      No objection from me. Its just that we may not be able to do all that until after any indictments and investigations have finished.
       
      toniter, Mar 10, 2023
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    I don't have any objections, other than what I've already said. No one currently charged is going to find comfort in the tapes.

    I'm actually looking forward to you forgetting all about this when the tapes and transcripts confirm what we now believe to be true and more of the lies repeated by Trump and his supporters are exposed.

    It will be similar to watching all our election deniers go silent as every bizarre scenario was revealed to be impossible.

    It's a shame the Jan6 committee didn't subpoena Sydney Powell's headless time traveling informant. That would make a great video.
     
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    Hey shootersa. Simple question. Why did a mob of trump supporters storm the Capital on Jan 6th? Something must have riled them up. Have any ideas?
     
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      He claims spontaneous combustion but the whole world knows who the arsonist is.
       
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      And never forget Trump's words to the rioters.

      "We Love You, You’re Very Special"
       
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